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oilman
25-May-2007, 02:39 PM
Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils.

The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, they are dug out of the ground and not manmade. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked” oils.

“Hydrocracked” oils have some advantages over their equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 and 5w-40 and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”.

So, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?

Well, it all came about from a legal battle that took place in the USA more than ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.

Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included some “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics. The economics are very simple though.

If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case, it’s really only a highly processed mineral oil.

But, if you drive a high performance or modified car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day” or “1/4 mile”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.

These oils cost more money to buy, because they cost a lot more money to make.

Very simply, you always get what you pay for, cheap oils contain cheap ingredients, what did you expect!

Jerry
25-May-2007, 10:52 PM
All gobbly gook to me.

All I need to know is what's the best oil to put in my engine? The last metro I had I was advised to get MOTUL (expensive stuff). However, the latest car with an expensive Goodmans engine I've been told Mobil 1 is the stuff.

Mobil 1 is the same stuff rebranded by SnR a few years back. Mobil1 was also the recommended oil by MGR.

Consequently, Mobil 1 it is for me and I'm sorry not to get into the debate about mineral v synthetic.

GazSuttonUK
26-May-2007, 07:43 AM
I have ordered 10 litres(Mobil 1) from Oilman, just waiting for delivery so I can do the Services on the TF and ZR.

Jerry
26-May-2007, 08:51 AM
I have ordered 10 litres(Mobil 1) from Oilman, just waiting for delivery so I can do the Services on the TF and ZR.

What is the current price from Oilman for 5 litres? The last time I bought some Mobil1 it was exceptionally cheap in Costco.

GazSuttonUK
26-May-2007, 12:58 PM
What is the current price from Oilman for 5 litres? The last time I bought some Mobil1 it was exceptionally cheap in Costco.

5 litres = £47.83
For members a little cheaper.(Jerry I'll PM you the members cost)

Jerry
26-May-2007, 01:02 PM
5 litres = £47.83
For members a little cheaper.(Jerry I'll PM you the members cost)

I have bought oil from Redruth when we had something to do with XPower Forums. In fact we bought a few Litres!

Is that with postage - it seams expensive?

GazSuttonUK
26-May-2007, 01:06 PM
I have bought oil from Redruth when we had something to do with XPower Forums. In fact we bought a few Litres!

Is that with postage - it seams expensive?

Yes, that's with postage.
I only tried Halfords and they were 5 litres £46.00, members cost beat that by a few pounds.

Jerry
26-May-2007, 01:09 PM
Found this on a websearch here: http://www.oil-store.co.uk/?path=catalog&top=13

Much cheaper - but you may have to buy 4 cans worth. :D

Tootall
26-May-2007, 04:52 PM
I use this Guy (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mobil-1-0-40-Turbo-Diesel-Oil-2-x-5-Litre-Cans-10-ltrs_W0QQitemZ160121194094QQihZ006QQcategoryZ72205 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on E-bay very good service and the price is for 2 cans.

Jerry
26-May-2007, 05:19 PM
I use this Guy (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mobil-1-0-40-Turbo-Diesel-Oil-2-x-5-Litre-Cans-10-ltrs_W0QQitemZ160121194094QQihZ006QQcategoryZ72205 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on E-bay very good service and the price is for 2 cans.

That's Costco prices and loads of other stuff to trawl through to - interesting link!

Makes the oilman a tad pricy!

Byron
01-Jun-2007, 07:51 AM
I was very lucky with regard's oil when i moved garage's we had surplus Mobil 1 which in turn has been put to good use ;).

ZS180sx
18-Jul-2007, 08:05 PM
Ive been using Miller CFS in the ZS since the last oil change it cost £30.90 +vat for 5 liters from raldes.
That ebay deal toots put up is good but the postage takes the edge off the deal.
Kev